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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:10:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Sivren Ravenwood wrote:Hey I am not much for big words and alot of talking but like the title says PvP Arena. It would be nice to have one like they have in other MMO's just you and your friends que up and a few moments later you all are off fighting in a far away place that no one can but in. I think it would be a good idea and also let new players try PvP with out haveing to make 20jumps and get podded by some one who has been playing for years. So I ask yall what yall think about this idea and with some luck some one at CCP will read this and bring it up to the DEVS. It's already been suggested, but the Griefers hate the thought of a straight up fight..... 
We'll get there at some point.
Only griefers and pussies don't want it. The single idea they can't have all the advantages on their side makes them sick, the idea they might have to fight fairly without abuse/exploit of game mechanics would simply make them rage quit.
It's a matter of time, but we'll get there, and in the end this will lead to more ships destruction and game entertainment.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:22:00 -
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Lady von Baroness wrote:"EvE" stands for "Everyone vs. Everyone." I left WoW because it is dull as Hell. Don't turn EvE into WoW.
We're not getting started again with all this old crap about WOW is not pvp yadaya?
You should have played WOW in a pvp server instead, then you see there is plenty of pvp over there just like in Eve.
Wow pvp servers are what you're looking for when you want real pvp everywhere at every moment.
Penalties are different, rewards and drawbacks are different, Eve is a sandbox, WOW is played in different servers.
Both are great games and one would be an idiot to not recognize something going good in the other gaming style.
Want to graveyard camp? -pick some friends go to low sec camp the gate, pick some friends bble whatever null sec station/gate
What's the difference in between your Orc killing rabbits spawning at the graveyard and whatever passing through the gate getting killed by your gang? -none, gaming reasoning is the same, just different tools.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Literally every single game that added an arena ended up with no pvp outside of it.
False. Played for a long time in Wow pvp servers where you don't have the choice but to pvp because it goes absolutely everywhere unlike many troglodytes think, you can do Arena in those servers too and you have guys doing it, but say there was less or no pvp outside the Arena is a lie.
People talk about Wow pvp when they never knew anything else than Normal/PVP servers -yeah those you can trigger pvp flags or avoid them- please be my guest to make your new character in a full PVP server and come here tell me how many rabbits you could kill per hour and how fast you got to lvl "whatever crap"
Arena in Eve would be good for several reasons:
- Majority of players are in high sec would want to pvp in some defined environment/rules (like tournament)
- A large part of those players do not refuse to pvp, they refuse the systematic abuse of game mechanics/failures from other players or death traps not worth the effort for an instant loss.
- They want to play their character not their mandatory alt scout, for many of them.
Now, how bad would this be to null or low sec if those players would have some sort of arena?
Simple: It wouldn't change a crap, they will not GO TO LOW SEC OR NULL SEC, thus the fantastic PVP you guys talk about being already nonexistent, this wouldn't harm the game at all.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:SWG added an arena and pvp outside of it ended. There was nothing but restus.
STO has arenas and there is no pvp to be found elsewhere.
Sorry Baltec1 but SWG and STO are what those are: bad pvp games from the beginning and I wouldn't pay a dime to have those in my computer, even if those were free wouldn't be bothered to DL them.
Lineage2
Guild Wars
Age of Conan
Aion
Even these shiny elves/pimp karat+¬ bimbo games are by far more of a pvp game than those you mentioned.
Like every MMO and Eve is not an exception, things are shaken down up a bit from time to time. One day one class is above the others but this is how MMOS go, and so does Eve.
Give a try to Lineage2 if you really like pvp everywhere every time without pussies crying their mom because they got gank.
You'll have no more trouble with high sec miners, no more trouble with low sec you can't bomb etc. Everything goes every time everywhere.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:14:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:March rabbit wrote:KuroVolt wrote:We already have an arena, its in Catch.
We call it HED. been there many times.... 20+ ships kill one. yea, this is something honourable like Arena  That one ship died an honourable death!
I've got the good game for you
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:18:00 -
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Rab See wrote:I cant imagine a worse idea!
I do not want WoW - f**king pink pony crap.
Too late you already have graveyard camping and duel system, you know what is said in these moments: adapt or die
Rab See wrote:The non pvpers who want to pvp - they can find it, they can learn how to do it, like everyone else. Large scale in nullsec, medium scale in NPC null, small scale in lowsec. Just go and see what to do. Ask pirates if thats your thing, or anti pirates if thats isnt.
You clearly haven't read the op and what we're talking about.
Tell us how would you get more pvp out of 0 pvp?
High sec players are not going to low sec nor null sec, so this represents 0 pvp and ships destruction.
How much would this 0 pvp change if those players could enjoy "tournament" like arenas?
Answer: nothing for said 0 low/null sec pvp, but more ships destroyed for another class of players you seem to completely despise, and for your information their money is as good as yours, if CCP is capable to run Tournaments and those are successful.
Expand it to "arenas" where more different sort of players can get involved and practice would be good for the game in the end since the initial problem is not PVP but shooting-ducks game so many around like to call it pvp.
Rab See wrote:For those that wasnt t 1 on 1 - go to Sisi.
You really need to get out of you little world bubble and see by yourself what happens in SISI then use your brains to understand why there is no more people over there playing with free stuff.
I see a problem with your reasoning, SISI is risk free and you get stuff for free but players are not playing there, can you explain us why?
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.05 22:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
You really need to get out of you little world bubble and see by yourself what happens in SISI then use your brains to understand why there is no more people over there playing with free stuff.
I see a problem with your reasoning, SISI is risk free and you get stuff for free but players are not playing there, can you explain us why?
Because the people you are wanting arenas for do not exist. They never have and never will, the thing that stops them from doing pvp now will be the same thing that stops them in the furture no matter what you do.
No my friend, you don't want them to exist and you even refuse to admit they might exist, openly. It's not the same at all.
If there's no one on SISI it's because unlike you 150 year old crazy guys rabble all the time, accept and like risks on TQ.
There's a huge difference in accepting risks when you log in and have not much of a choice than be the meat or the slave of whatever nerd.
You guys were wrongly mocking when guys asked a "duel" system, like you guys always moan and ***** about everything that touches your tr+ál+ál+á and right now bitching about this Arena thing with, yet again, same boring bad arguments a huge part of the community is bored to hell of reading or listening to.
Happy for us, people who actually care and like CCP and their product, since 2003 (I'm not playing since then) they have made their product evolve, add new content and done major game changes players never wanted anyway but finally like them.
This is how they made it get to the 10 year mark, by innovating some concepts a-la Icelandic sauce with their success and their less successful stuff, the arena concept is just another one they can get different, interesting, and yet another opportunity to offer new fun tools for their players and increase ships destruction.
Disclaimer: they will not make it mandatory, so you don't have to worry about.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.05 22:33:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote: With all the pvp nerfing and making hisec into a safe playground this would just nail this even harder into death.
Yes, go ahead and tell us all what your brains told you, how much high sec would become risk freee yada ya, kitty online, blah blah blah, if there were Arenas in "tournament" like style.
Because I'm sure your omniscient abilities already knows how this would be implemented, and so bad for the game.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.06 10:58:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Bud Austrene wrote:Getsafe Aisak wrote:If you want consensual PVP with no consequences there already is at least three options:
- Duels on trade hub undocks
- Red vs Blue in highsec
- Blue vs Blue in nullsec I do not believe any of those in favor of CCP sponsored arenas have said anything about there being no consequences. I do believe the the basic idea of the arena that is being put forth is based only on the idea of a level playing field. That is a fair fight. I personally, do not see any reason to change the consequences from what the PVP consequences are now. And that is the loser, gets podded and loses his ship just as the loser does now. The winner gets to loot and salvage the losers ship. The only difference from the way PVP is now is that having an unfair advantage would not be permitted. What would be considered an unfair advantage would have to be worked out, but superior numbers I am sure would not be allowed. It ain't supposed to be fair. Fairness has never been Eve's design philosophy and being a sandbox it should never be. CCP Soundwave wrote:
Why would I want to balance a fight? That's never really been the goal in EVE and the war dec system wasn't built for that either.
The consequences is that it drives away from the sandbox concept where everything you do in this game, someone else can come in, kick your sandcastle then laugh at you. That's the basic premise of a sandbox, everyone can do anything they want and everyone else can do anything they want to you. Arena is a controlled environment in a closed instance, you can't join in when the game tells you that you can't, it's "wrong" in the context of Eve because it devoids of that basic premise. Hence, it is not something that should exist in Eve.
I'm quite sure our Icelandic waccos can come up with something fun
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:26:00 -
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William Walker wrote:I logged in just to write this is a bad idea and devs should never implement this. We already have duelling and the safety button and everything. If you want more go to lowsec with friends if need be. This is so bad.
Why it's bad?
Why it's bad to offer for those players you call risk averse, you know those never going to low/null risk their 2bil pimp BS, an alternative?
What are you afraid of? -why would it be bad for you since they already don't go and will never go to low/null because you are incapable of making them go there, you are incapable of interesting them to move there?
You put all the faults on whatever new alternative people ask for to justify your incompetence to get those players going there, and this, is really what you should spend your time working on instead of rabble the same old song from 30's no one else cares about.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:28:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:obvious troll thread gets 8 pages of replies
sad times
Never not feed it
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Posted - 2013.03.07 22:34:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Rek Seven wrote:And like you said, how is change bad when done right and in the spirit of the game? Because it is not? There are core mechanics that set this game apart from others. 1)Everybody can go whereever he wants. No game mechanic completely hinders anybody from doing so. An Arena would. 2)Everybody can engage anybody else. No game mechanic hinders anybody from doing so. An Arena would. Even if 1) would not be violated (spectators), 2) would. It is not in the spirit of the game. But there is more! As long as people would lose ships, it also would not drive more people to combat. Furthermore, new players would not actually be trained well in this artificial combat scenario, because it is artificial. They would then refuse to fight in a realistic, aka unfair, environment... which EvE simply is. There simply isnt one single argument working for Arenas and thus they will never happen, but keep wasting your time. /thread
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